# In a podcast interview, Professor Dolly Chugh shares her views on combating unconscious bias, from her book, "The Person You Mean to Be"

1 Faculty News March 27, 2019 ![10% Happier Podcast logo](/sites/default/files/styles/246w/public/assets/images/10-Happier-Podcast-logo-feature.jpg?itok=r-nvrfhb)>

Excerpt from [10% Happier Podcast](https://player.fm/series/10-happier-with-dan-harris/ep-180-dolly-chugh-how-good-people-fight-bias) -- (14:50) "The problem is, the definition a lot of us are using for good person, and this is why it's such a tight corner, is binary. It's you're a good person or you're not; you're racist or you're not; you're sexist or not, and there's no room for growth, there's no room for mistakes. What I'm trying to offer is a different way of thinking about our identities, which is being a good-ish person."

[Listen here](https://player.fm/series/10-happier-with-dan-harris/ep-180-dolly-chugh-how-good-people-fight-bias)