# In a podcast interview, Senior Research Scholar Alain Bertaud discusses how to improve city management, from his book, "Order without Design"

1 School News May 1, 2019 ![City Journal logo](/sites/default/files/styles/246w/public/assets/images/con_046078.jpg?itok=iddA0n3l)>

Excerpt from [City Journal](https://www.city-journal.org/how-markets-shape-cities) -- "Bertaud’s book Order without Design: How Markets Shape Cities argues that markets provide the indispensable mechanism for cities’ growth. The book is a summation of what Bertaud has learned in a lifetime spent as an urban planner, including a stint at the World Bank, where he advised local and national governments on urban-development policies."

[Listen here](https://www.city-journal.org/how-markets-shape-cities)