# Professor Anat Lechner in-depth podcast interview: "Ep. 2 Structuring for Innovation, Anat Lechner, NYU."

1 School News January 13, 2023 ![Logo of ExecU the Podcast](/sites/default/files/styles/246w/public/2023-01/ExecU%20The%20Podcast%20190x145.png?itok=RrSoUysa)>

Excerpt from [ExecU the Podcast](https://execupodcast.buzzsprout.com/2108440/12040535-ep-2-structuring-for-innovation-anat-lechner-nyu) — “When an environment becomes psychologically unsafe for people, many retreat, or in any case \[are\] thrown out of balance. So instead of being assertive you'll either become more aggressive or you'll become more defensive…”

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